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� Thought Crimes and Fair Use | Main | Fair Use Has a Posse �Watching the panel discussion following Jordan Hubbard's talk this morning, I realized that the commonality between Mac and Unix users -- almost all hands raised when Tim O'Reilly asked about previous primary Mac desktop users and any Unix users -- was that Windows users toss their old machines, as old Windows hardware rarely handles upgrades smoothly for more than a version or two of Windows. You dump the system, resell it, give it away.
Meanwhile, Mac and Unix users wind up using machines til they die or get really really old. Most of the medium-power users I know wind up with networks of computers, running services or just as backups, given to kids or grandparents or neighbors. Adam Engst just mentioned on stage that he just turned his Mac SE off the other day, because it finally got to a point where he didn't need it.
I upgrade my Unix machines because the commodity PC hardware has actually died or gotten too slow for some of the intensive servers I use, but I've sold off or given away three of the old machines out of about seven servers. (Two are still running; two burned up, practically, and died.)
On the Mac side, a collection of friends and eBay users have all my old technology, much of which is still in use. My wife Lynn asked me how many Macs I owned the other day, and I said, "four, no five...wait, six. Okay, seven...eight if you count the Mac Classic II and the Quadra 700 that aren't running but are sitting in my office."
Posted by Glennf at October 2, 2002 9:48 AM
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great list... i've been a pc user til about 2 yrs ago.. the local recycler started getting old macs in by the dozen.. he priced the REAL cheap so i started bying.. now i have;
1 - SE/30
8 - Classic 2
2 - LC575
1 - LC580
1 - Quadra 840 A/V
1 - Centris 650
1 - PM5260/100
1 - PM5300/100
1 - PM5400/200
3 - 7100/66
1 - 7500/100
1 - 8500/(XLR8 180)
1 - PowerCenter 210/(G3-300)
1 - Umax S900/225
1 - PM G3 All-in-One
1 - Bondi iMac/233
1 - HP C180 PA-Risc running hp unix
1 - SGI Indy R5000/150
1 - Tandy 1000 complete w/ printer, monitor, HD, etc
1 - IBM PC jr
1 - Tandy TRS-80
1 - IBM 386 fileserver
2 - Toshiba Dynapad 486/25 tablet pc Win 3.1
my favorite are the macs.... i still fix up some & give then to kids.. usually the all-in-one boxes...
Posted by: Pat at June 10, 2003 12:30 PM
We still power our HPLC (high-pressure liquid chromatography) setup with an Apple IIE, and have no plans to replace it. It's been running with the same floppy disk for 20 years now.
Posted by: Larry Povirk at October 21, 2002 8:54 AM
Simply put, the boxen who can't run OSX will happily run Linux. (The ones who can run OSX will run Linux aswell.) Unless the calssic MacOS will do the trick for you.
I've got a PowerMac 6100, 6200, 6400 and 8100, accompanied by a Quadra 900, SE/30 and a recently rescued IIVX.
The macs are just part of what I have. (I got a bunch of SparcStations, DEC Alphas, PA-RISC boxen and searching for neat SGI workstations.) Old x86 "PC" hardware tends to be sold off in order to purchase or rescue more real computers.
Posted by: Thyme at October 21, 2002 6:41 AM
another post...
i was just notified by one of my mom's friends that her computer has finally died and wondered if i had one she could buy off me. this lady has been running an Apple IIci forever. it finally died on her. i was so happy to find someone that has realized she doesn't require a 2ghz pentium chip to write her papers. i gave her one of my Apple II's and didn't charge her for it, i couldn't do it for someone so loyal.
Posted by: ben at October 21, 2002 6:33 AM
my macs
Quadro 610
Classic
Plus
PowerMac G3 - Biege box
LC
i had more, but people kept asking for them. my friend just took off with my centris and is using it to run a intermapper server off it.
my pcs
*passes out from not being able to count that high*
lets just say i could start a museum with hands on exhibits.
my main system is a celeron 600 running Mandrake 9.0
my dad stopped using his compaq about a year ago, so i installed mandrake and converted it to a fileserver.
my old IBM 486 Model 77 i turned into a fileserver after finally being able to afford a newer system to game with last year. it's running Slackware 8.1.
i have a 386 "cube" i designed the case and built it. it's running Slackware 8.1, it's my webserver.
my mom ugrades her windows box about once a year. *sigh*
Posted by: Ben at October 21, 2002 6:26 AM
you could be onto something. i have an amd k5 pr166 system,
which i purchased from the local goodwill store. it came
with windows 95, but i installed red hat linux 5.2 on it;
later red hat linux 6.1, and currently 6.2. it was perhaps
two years old when i bought it (1999), and i've used it as
my home machine ever since. i run gnome on it, and use
the opera web browser, which is pretty memory efficient,
unlike internet explorer or netscape 7. also use star
office 5.2, though it is not very memory efficient.
Posted by: scott at October 21, 2002 6:09 AM
Just retired a IIfx and Quadra 950 from active duty. Also have a Quarda 800 that works too but is also retired. Oldest machines I have running are PM7100/80 with Sonnet G3/233 upgrade serving as a FileMaker 6 Client and two PM 9500/120's, one with Sonnet G3/400 upgrade serving as FileMaker Pro 6 Server and the other as PowerFile 200 CD jukebox/Epson Stylus Color 3000 server. Just updated them both to OS 9.1 and they still seem spritely!
Posted by: E. Mike Gay at October 8, 2002 12:57 PM
Hi,
I have an Se/30 an LC475 and I also had a perorma 630. I gave the performa to my neighbour who had no computer and within 10 days I filled the empty space with a performa 6300. Nature certainly does abhor a vacuum.
Steve
Posted by: Steve at October 8, 2002 12:47 PM
Here are the Macs I own that still work:
1. Power Mac G4 733 Quicksilver
2. PowerCenter 150 Mac clone
3. Mac Centris 650
4. Power Mac 6200 Performa
5. Mac SE
6. Macintosh II
7. Macintosh Plus
8. Macintosh IIsi
Posted by: Mel at October 7, 2002 7:57 AM
I agree - I have a boatload of Macs and two SGI boxes. I've never had a PC for more than two months (I borrow them when I need to port a Director project from the Mac to Windows, and I've played with Linux on x86).
Macs -
iMac G3/233
PowerMac G4/800
Powerbook 1400c/166
Mac LC 68020 (25MHz?)
Mac Classic 68000 (8MHz)
Performa 5320 PPC 603e/120
UNIX
SGI Indy R4600(PC)/133
SGI Indigo 2 R4400/200
Posted by: Jason Walsh at October 7, 2002 5:58 AM
A couple of years ago I got an iBook, and decided it was time to minimalise my computer lifestyle. I gave away all the old Apple hardware that lurked in the basement, in the closet, and under the bed (I'm not kidding!). It's said that nature abhors a vacuum, and it wasn't long before all that empty space was filled up with a variety of low-end Macs again. I've decided to fight this affliction no longer, and simply put together low-end machines to give away to people who need them.
For ecological reasons, I'd recommend to those who want an old Mac running 24/7, to consider something like a pizza-box LC or the like. Those old Mac II's and Classic Macs use a lot of power.
All the best,
Doug
Posted by: Doug Taylor at October 7, 2002 5:43 AM
I have alot of old macs that I still use
Mac 512K, Mac Plus, Four Mac Classic II's,
Mac II, Mac IIcx, Mac IIci, Mac IIfx, Mac LC, Mac LC II, Mac LC III, Mac LC III+, Mac LC 520, Mac Performa 638CD,
Mac Quadra 840av, Power Mac 6100/60, Power Mac 7100/66, Power Computing PowerCurve 601/120, Power Mac 6500/250, and My 600 MHz iMac
I use them all as much as I can
Posted by: Ted at October 7, 2002 12:01 AM
i have a Performa 630 very usefull for day to day working like DTP, text editing, CAD working, games an many things to doing. Performa 630 with 36MbRAM, 250HD. Just a little problem i have that is dont have an laserwriter for mac.:(
Posted by: tavi at October 6, 2002 4:12 AM
This is just like my brother and I. I own, at the moment, only two Macs, one of which is with me (my main machine, a graphite G4), and the other one is an LC III+ being mailed to me. My brother has two Macs set up in his room, a blue G3 as his main machine and a Quadra 950 that he uses for instant messaging, old games, surfing the internet, and storing useful files. I plan to use the LC III+ to do basic, low intensity operations like instant messaging and typing, therefore freeing up my G4 to cruch numbers with SETI@home. I will also use it for reading floppies; I can just copy the floppy over to my SCSI Zip drive and move the files over to my G4's internal Zip drive.
Working with old Macs is a lot of fun. I'm sure working with old PCs could be fun too, but I think Macs are more fun, and I'm sure more people actually tinker with old Macs than old PCs.
Posted by: Luca at October 6, 2002 1:46 AM
This article has ironic humor. I'm currently onsite at a client's office, replacing a IIfx 8mb/250mb DNS/IPnetrouter server with a Umax 900 32MB 604e/150 machine that finally died when it couldn't be upgraded to support their $170G drum scanner anymore. The Umax originally had 512MB Dimm's installed, which have been procured for their other production machines. The original plan was to purchase another IIfx power supply for the ailing machine towards Xmas, but as the hardware upgrade required firewire support that the Umax couldn't easily handle, retiring the Umax to server work was the only feasible solution. The IIfx will now retire to the back office server rack, where it will become a VNC (similar to Timbuktu) kiosk for controlling and monitoring the seven servers in this office. BTW, this change upgrades the servers to include their first PowerMacintosh--we have 4 68k servers (web, e-mail, routing, graphic conversion) and 3 Intel class units (486 Tape Backup, Dual Pentium 100 internet router *another dead production machine*, and a 2100Mhz Athlon file server *SMB/Atalk*). Old computers should never retire to the shelf--there's always a single threaded use they can serve--and serve very very well.
Posted by: Scott L. Barber at October 6, 2002 12:15 AM
I agree - who wants a 286 (or a 386, or a 486) running any version of DOS or Windows?
But I still play with my 512k Mac, and actually do some writing on it (I have a HD20 drive which makes it a useful system). I have a IIsi I drag out every now and then, and now that my wife and I moved to a new house, might set it or her old Centris 610 for our niece to use when she visits.
I want at least one of every Mac ever built, eventually. So far I have the 512k, the IIsi, the Centris 610, a Powerbook 150, and a Rev. C iMac (Grape). I'd love a Powerbook 5300c or even a 190cs for taking around town. I DON'T want a Pentium 90 notebook for any reason.
Posted by: Yakir at October 4, 2002 9:16 PM
I love that. Think about the alternative: a machine with a 286 running maybe Windows 3.1. Ha ha! Very cool.
Posted by: Glenn Fleishman at October 4, 2002 3:27 PM
We're running an SE/30 as a mailing list server running LetterRip Pro under System 7.6. The machine has a 250 MB hard drive, an Ethernet card, and a whopping 20 MB of RAM. It serves something like 50,000 messages a day to the different lists that we run. We've thought a few times about replacing it, but why? It's doing the job.
Posted by: Tom Negrino at October 4, 2002 3:19 PM
I turn my old windows boxes into unix servers (Linux, *BSD, ...) so I don't have to get rid of them :-)
Posted by: Dave at October 2, 2002 6:19 PM
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